Hi I heard baptist are taught not to drink alchohol but I would like to leave a comment on that. If baptists believe it is wrong to drink alchohol then why is it that Jesus made wine out of water. Why is it then that when In 1st Timothy chapter 5 verse 23 it says in the King James bible which has never been altered verse 23: Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities. Jesus and god allowed wine to be used as long as it is not abused. Thank you if you tead my comment.
Thank you for your comment. Some Baptists do teach that one should never drink, but to do so is problematic. Drinking alcohol is not prohibited, getting drunk is. In some situations it is best to fully abstain, especially if partaking causes others to stumble. You point out the Scriptural testimony and you are correct. Strict Baptists say that the wine Jesus made was essentially grape juice, but the steward said it was the best wine, which would be meaningless if one was comparing varieties of grape juice! If the wine of the N.T. period was merely grape juice then why does the Scripture even mention drunkenness?
My concern is when this and other issues become the means of determining larger issues, such as whether one is a Christian or not. “I Don’t drink alcohol” has become a badge that some wear and think that as they shine it now and then with others of like mind that this is what it means to be a Christian.
But thats confusing that some baptists say that especially if it is a priest. And ive done some research and different baptist churches say it is wrong to drink wine no matter what and other baptist churchs say it is okay to drink unless you do not abuse it. It would make sense if the church would stick to one belief on the matter. Thank you
Verse 5 of Ecclesiastes of chapter 9 in the king james version: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Why does churchs say that when the dead have no thoughts or feelings as described by the verse?
I am not sure about what you are saying. Are you saying that this passage in Eccl. shows that hell is incorrect and that annihilation is what happens, as the dead will have not thoughts? As far as clarity on the subject focus on the words of Jesus. He interpreted the Old Testament as saying that hell was real and eternal. Do a study of Jesus’ teaching on hell.
Priesthood is commonly held among Baptists to refer to all believers. Leaders are Pastors and churches are independent governing bodies, not hierarchical as with Orthodox churches. There will be lots of variations among Baptists on lesser issues simply because it a movement based upon individual groups of believers, who have made an identity with the New Testament model of church.
The Bible NEVER FORBIDS the consumption of alcohol unless by direct revelation like the Nazarites in Numbers 6:1-4 and Luke 1:15 regarding John the Baptist. In the New Testament church believers are free to consume or abstain as long as users never abuse and abstainers don’t become legalistic. Recently I looked into the “abstainer only” argument and to my surprise it’s on the same line as the “KJV only” philosophy. Through a mirage of extra biblical revelation, they have concluded God commanded Christians (especially Elders) to refrain from alcohol. This is absolutely hogwash in every sense of the word as wine (Greek-oinos; Strong’s-G36361) always contains alcohol, not grape juice only as fabricated, and the wine maker (John 2:8) Jesus not only drank at the last supper (among several other places) but commanded his disciples to do so in remembrance of him in the future with other believers. So if alcohol is forbidden, Jesus with a bunch of other Elders like Peter, John and Jude, etc. are all guilty of breaking his law which is impossible. Christ suffers “NO OPPOSITION”. The other arguments like different strength levels of alcohol weaker back then, used to sanitize water and causing others to stumble, etc. are equally vain and never has ANY BASIS in Scripture. There are several detailed articles on this http://dispensationalist.blogspot.ca/search/label/Alcohol, http://www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/heresies/did-jesus-make-wine.php, http://www.gci.org/series/alcohol/bible or just Google “wine non-alcoholic bible”. The bottom line is “abstainers only” are at best ignorant of what the Word of God says but unfortunately many knowingly “Persuade men and not God” as Paul says in Galatians 1:10. The New Testament Church has no legislative authority (and Christ never delegated this out—–ever!), just judicial (the ability the judge against the canon) and executive (the deal with accordingly). God has trusted abstainers and users to live with each other without opposing on each other. Therefore promoting the “mandatory abstinence doctrine” after a clear explanation of God’s is without repentance is not only a poor Christian witness but against the Word of God which they will be held accountable. Ephesians 5:11 “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”
I was truly saved 5 years ago. Before I was saved I called myself a Christian but my actions did not match what I confessed. After being saved I started studying my Bible and discovered that the Calvinist teaching was false teaching. Most Churches are Calvinist and the ones that are not are false teaching in other areas. This has brought such discouragement in my life not having like minded Christians to fellowship with and feeling so alone. I don’t want to give up and go to a Church that I believe is preaching false doctrine because Jesus warns against this in His word. I would appreciate any words of help. Thank you.
Vanessa, Do Not Give Up! The Lord said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church (Matt 16:18) and while things are very discouraging in many places, with faith in Jesus’ words we can pray in expectation that there will be a renewed work in our day.
David’s Psalm 27 says, ‘One thing I have asked from the Lord, that I shall seek: that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the Lord.’ This desire is also yours, to enjoy that blessing of God’s presence and gospel blessing in a place of worship. David then says in verse 13, ‘I would have despaired unless I had believed that I would see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.’ Despairing will overtake us in these circumstances if we stop believing. God desires what is good for the church more than we! Be encouraged and believe that you also will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.
Pray very earnestly, in faith, that God will give you what is good – a place to join with likeminded people in fellowship that is true and loving. Calvinism seems to be fairly popular these days and unfortunately in many places the alternatives are not good either. Your prayers are being heard because they are regarding what the Lord would want for you. At the same time, be open to answers in ways that you may not be expecting. There may be others you may meet together with to pray about these things or a need to relocate where you live, etc. Maybe God is also working in the hearts of those not far from you with the intention of seeing a sound work established. Be reminded that your desires are good and biblical and God will bless you through these discouraging times as you look to Him in faith as David and others have done. The last verse says, ‘Wait for the Lord; be strong and let your heart take courage; Yes, wait for the Lord.’ David most likely expressed these things while hiding in a cave away from the joyful worship in Jerusalem as Saul was pursuing him. David knew truly discouraging circumstances that we can also relate to. Keep in touch.
I was very interested in reading/watching the section you have on “Worldly
Worship”. Sadly, this type of false worship is now rampant all over the
world – our churches in Spain are full of it and all the time it tries to
sneak in either through the back door or unashamedly through the front
door of many congregations that before had some kind of semblance of being
biblical and conservative.
I was involved in the “Christian” music scene as studio director/engineer
at the Baptist national recording studios here in Spain. We used to record
secular groups as well to help finance the studios. I have to say that
some of our secular clients were more humble and less arrogant than some
of the supposedly Christian artists that used the studios.
That is in the past and I would now not have anything to do with the
contemporary “Christian” music scene. I have lost friends over my stance –
but I would rather lose friends than offend my Lord and Saviour Jesus
Christ.
In closing, there is something I would love to ask the performers and the
people who go to these concerts to get hyped up and that is: how much time
do you spend before the Lord in prayer each day?? I wonder…
Thank you for your valuable comments Ruben. Your experience is very interesting and insightful. May the Lord help other Christians such as yourself to make such sacrifices for His kingdom and glory. The Lord be praised!
Thank you very much for the encouragement. I am not a pastor. I am a rush courier! I have lived in Sacramento myself, for two years (96-98). I too pray that I might have a church where I can sit under preaching in which my soul and heart are refreshed and encouraged. We all need to sit at the feet of Jesus. May the Lord give you the desires of your heart and bless you.
traditionalbaptistchurch 
Hi I heard baptist are taught not to drink alchohol but I would like to leave a comment on that. If baptists believe it is wrong to drink alchohol then why is it that Jesus made wine out of water. Why is it then that when In 1st Timothy chapter 5 verse 23 it says in the King James bible which has never been altered verse 23: Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities. Jesus and god allowed wine to be used as long as it is not abused. Thank you if you tead my comment.
Thank you for your comment. Some Baptists do teach that one should never drink, but to do so is problematic. Drinking alcohol is not prohibited, getting drunk is. In some situations it is best to fully abstain, especially if partaking causes others to stumble. You point out the Scriptural testimony and you are correct. Strict Baptists say that the wine Jesus made was essentially grape juice, but the steward said it was the best wine, which would be meaningless if one was comparing varieties of grape juice! If the wine of the N.T. period was merely grape juice then why does the Scripture even mention drunkenness?
My concern is when this and other issues become the means of determining larger issues, such as whether one is a Christian or not. “I Don’t drink alcohol” has become a badge that some wear and think that as they shine it now and then with others of like mind that this is what it means to be a Christian.
But thats confusing that some baptists say that especially if it is a priest. And ive done some research and different baptist churches say it is wrong to drink wine no matter what and other baptist churchs say it is okay to drink unless you do not abuse it. It would make sense if the church would stick to one belief on the matter. Thank you
What do baptists teach about hell
Hell is eternal punishment for all those not written in the book of life. If interested please go to my page at: https://traditionalbaptistchurch.com/hell/
Verse 5 of Ecclesiastes of chapter 9 in the king james version: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Why does churchs say that when the dead have no thoughts or feelings as described by the verse?
I am not sure about what you are saying. Are you saying that this passage in Eccl. shows that hell is incorrect and that annihilation is what happens, as the dead will have not thoughts? As far as clarity on the subject focus on the words of Jesus. He interpreted the Old Testament as saying that hell was real and eternal. Do a study of Jesus’ teaching on hell.
Priesthood is commonly held among Baptists to refer to all believers. Leaders are Pastors and churches are independent governing bodies, not hierarchical as with Orthodox churches. There will be lots of variations among Baptists on lesser issues simply because it a movement based upon individual groups of believers, who have made an identity with the New Testament model of church.
The Bible NEVER FORBIDS the consumption of alcohol unless by direct revelation like the Nazarites in Numbers 6:1-4 and Luke 1:15 regarding John the Baptist. In the New Testament church believers are free to consume or abstain as long as users never abuse and abstainers don’t become legalistic. Recently I looked into the “abstainer only” argument and to my surprise it’s on the same line as the “KJV only” philosophy. Through a mirage of extra biblical revelation, they have concluded God commanded Christians (especially Elders) to refrain from alcohol. This is absolutely hogwash in every sense of the word as wine (Greek-oinos; Strong’s-G36361) always contains alcohol, not grape juice only as fabricated, and the wine maker (John 2:8) Jesus not only drank at the last supper (among several other places) but commanded his disciples to do so in remembrance of him in the future with other believers. So if alcohol is forbidden, Jesus with a bunch of other Elders like Peter, John and Jude, etc. are all guilty of breaking his law which is impossible. Christ suffers “NO OPPOSITION”. The other arguments like different strength levels of alcohol weaker back then, used to sanitize water and causing others to stumble, etc. are equally vain and never has ANY BASIS in Scripture. There are several detailed articles on this http://dispensationalist.blogspot.ca/search/label/Alcohol, http://www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/heresies/did-jesus-make-wine.php, http://www.gci.org/series/alcohol/bible or just Google “wine non-alcoholic bible”. The bottom line is “abstainers only” are at best ignorant of what the Word of God says but unfortunately many knowingly “Persuade men and not God” as Paul says in Galatians 1:10. The New Testament Church has no legislative authority (and Christ never delegated this out—–ever!), just judicial (the ability the judge against the canon) and executive (the deal with accordingly). God has trusted abstainers and users to live with each other without opposing on each other. Therefore promoting the “mandatory abstinence doctrine” after a clear explanation of God’s is without repentance is not only a poor Christian witness but against the Word of God which they will be held accountable. Ephesians 5:11 “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”
I was truly saved 5 years ago. Before I was saved I called myself a Christian but my actions did not match what I confessed. After being saved I started studying my Bible and discovered that the Calvinist teaching was false teaching. Most Churches are Calvinist and the ones that are not are false teaching in other areas. This has brought such discouragement in my life not having like minded Christians to fellowship with and feeling so alone. I don’t want to give up and go to a Church that I believe is preaching false doctrine because Jesus warns against this in His word. I would appreciate any words of help. Thank you.
Vanessa, Do Not Give Up! The Lord said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church (Matt 16:18) and while things are very discouraging in many places, with faith in Jesus’ words we can pray in expectation that there will be a renewed work in our day.
David’s Psalm 27 says, ‘One thing I have asked from the Lord, that I shall seek: that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the Lord.’ This desire is also yours, to enjoy that blessing of God’s presence and gospel blessing in a place of worship. David then says in verse 13, ‘I would have despaired unless I had believed that I would see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.’ Despairing will overtake us in these circumstances if we stop believing. God desires what is good for the church more than we! Be encouraged and believe that you also will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.
Pray very earnestly, in faith, that God will give you what is good – a place to join with likeminded people in fellowship that is true and loving. Calvinism seems to be fairly popular these days and unfortunately in many places the alternatives are not good either. Your prayers are being heard because they are regarding what the Lord would want for you. At the same time, be open to answers in ways that you may not be expecting. There may be others you may meet together with to pray about these things or a need to relocate where you live, etc. Maybe God is also working in the hearts of those not far from you with the intention of seeing a sound work established. Be reminded that your desires are good and biblical and God will bless you through these discouraging times as you look to Him in faith as David and others have done. The last verse says, ‘Wait for the Lord; be strong and let your heart take courage; Yes, wait for the Lord.’ David most likely expressed these things while hiding in a cave away from the joyful worship in Jerusalem as Saul was pursuing him. David knew truly discouraging circumstances that we can also relate to. Keep in touch.
God bless you,
Steven
Thank you for your words of encouragement it helped. Thank you
I was very interested in reading/watching the section you have on “Worldly
Worship”. Sadly, this type of false worship is now rampant all over the
world – our churches in Spain are full of it and all the time it tries to
sneak in either through the back door or unashamedly through the front
door of many congregations that before had some kind of semblance of being
biblical and conservative.
I was involved in the “Christian” music scene as studio director/engineer
at the Baptist national recording studios here in Spain. We used to record
secular groups as well to help finance the studios. I have to say that
some of our secular clients were more humble and less arrogant than some
of the supposedly Christian artists that used the studios.
That is in the past and I would now not have anything to do with the
contemporary “Christian” music scene. I have lost friends over my stance –
but I would rather lose friends than offend my Lord and Saviour Jesus
Christ.
In closing, there is something I would love to ask the performers and the
people who go to these concerts to get hyped up and that is: how much time
do you spend before the Lord in prayer each day?? I wonder…
In His love and mercy
Ruben Sarrion
Denia, Spain
Thank you for your valuable comments Ruben. Your experience is very interesting and insightful. May the Lord help other Christians such as yourself to make such sacrifices for His kingdom and glory. The Lord be praised!
Dear Pastor,
Thank you for your faithful preaching. Your sermons are refreshing.
I pray to have a church such as yours here in Sacramento.
May the Lord bless you.
Dear Marianne,
Thank you very much for the encouragement. I am not a pastor. I am a rush courier! I have lived in Sacramento myself, for two years (96-98). I too pray that I might have a church where I can sit under preaching in which my soul and heart are refreshed and encouraged. We all need to sit at the feet of Jesus. May the Lord give you the desires of your heart and bless you.
God Bless,
Steven